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nasa's jet propulsion laboratory

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the von carmen lecture a series of talks

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by scientists and engineers who are

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exploring

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our planet our solar system and all that

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hello and a very pleasant good evening

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to you wherever you may be

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i am brian white from jpl's office of

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communications and education

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and welcome to the von carmen talks

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tonight will be a steam-powered talk

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discussing how science influences art

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and art influences science do that we'll

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get perspectives from both

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ocean world astro chemists and visual

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art strategists

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we'll also be doing something a little

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different later so please make sure you

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stick around for that

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now joining us as our co-host fielding

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your questions this evening

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is public outreach specialist talia khan

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hi atalia

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thank you brian hello as always we would

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like to remind our viewers that this is

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your space program

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and we want you to be involved in the

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conversation this evening so please ask

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questions in the chat

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and our amazing social media team will

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we will be taking questions through

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if you do not see the chat please

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thank you very much dalia if we run into

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that you stick with us get those sorted

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now our first speaker is a research

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scientist and group supervisor in the

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astrobiology and oceans world group at

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nasa jet propulsion laboratory in

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please welcome dr morgan cable i am

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at jpl everybody at nasa has kind of

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superhero origin story um what's yours

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i definitely grew up inspired so i grew

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my own education so i did that and

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physics and black holes and all sorts of

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when bonds are made and broken like i

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where i basically have never left

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not only to iceland which you can see in

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for a space camp that i run and there's

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this is science and art

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we're happy to have you here um your

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early on and then for brilliant people

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the actual typography um and it was

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shooting out geysers

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and uh the teams took it took it around

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to talk to it that's linda spelker talk

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talking about enceladus there and this

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thing went to comic-con and south by

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southwest

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different museums kids are climbing all

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over it you know we

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had to clean it all the time and repaint

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it because kids were just wanting to get

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in there and really understand this

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thing and learn it

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so again i was shocked so that was more

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of an out word facing way that i was

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able to help as well

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but then also internally so if you go to

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the next slide

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uh slide 11 you i actually got to help

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our ops lab team

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created a life-size replica space hatch

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for the space station

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because at that time astronauts were

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using these giant binders instructions

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to

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station so

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our opslab team just figured out how to

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put the instructions in oculus for our

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for our astronauts so that they can see

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the instructions floating over whatever

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they needed to work on

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so in order to do that they needed a

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life-size space hatch

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so i say all of this because i had no

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idea how i could contribute when i first

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started

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and now it's been about 10 years being

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able to assist people like morgan and so

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many engineers and scientists with what

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it is that they need to do and

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accomplish

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and communicate that to the public so if

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you go to slide 12

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this is now the studio so it's been over

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10 or over 10 years

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the studio has formed we sit within

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something called the design lab

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at jpl and that's all we do we help

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uh engineers and scientists think

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through their thinking we help them

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brainstorm and really

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really flex out their ideas and ask

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great questions but then we also assist

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uh the missions whenever they're going

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and and

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how how to communicate these things to

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the public in in amazing ways

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um so yeah so i if i could replace

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artist uh brian i would replace artists

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with

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communicator and if i could replace art

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i would replace it with communication

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because that that's essentially what we

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do artists at jpl and nasa we help

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communication i think that's a wonderful

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way to put it um and in the lead up to

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this talk

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we saw a few folks surprised that nasa

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and jpl had

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artists now some people think this is a

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relatively new thing but that's not the

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case is it

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no that's not the it's not a new

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conversation it may seem like it

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uh because i think a lot of people have

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the misunderstanding that when you

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attach art to science or especially art

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to nasa

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that it's it's some random person in a

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smock in a corner

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talking to themselves throwing paint

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everywhere charging the taxpayer and and

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that's that's what art and science is

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right but it's not i mean i do

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i do stand in the corner and talk to

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myself sometimes but that's beside the

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point

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so going back into history if you want

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to go to slide 13

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you know art has been fully inscribed

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with science since the beginning i mean

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let's look at aristotle in 300 bc

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what that guy was talking about the

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whole gamut of what he was talking about

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i mean

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back when science was being explored uh

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you know there was really no way of

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understanding what these guys were

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talking about until

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say an artist like peter apien in the

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1500s

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excuse me started breaking down what

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these people were talking about into

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image form that was the only way that we

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could understand the stars

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and the heavens was through story and

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through imagery you know getting into

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kepler kepler doing his own

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um you know his own drawings and

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sketches of his discoveries what he was

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thinking

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of course leonardo da vinci and you know

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as you get into the 1600s there were

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actual engravers that started

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breaking down the science that was being

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talked about at that time

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into almost comic book form so as you

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can see there's there's a whole image

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there about metaphysics

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right so this is the only way that these

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complex things that were being

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discovered could be communicated to the

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general public

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so as we go to the next slide now we're

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heading into the 1700s and watch out

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these are the marias showing up

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both of these maria's actually women

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were

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pioneers in the field of art and science

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so

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maria marion was from germany she was

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drawing beetles and bugs and plants

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in for the purpose of studying so that

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other people could study these things

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and then maria

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imart was astronomer and also

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doing some amazing artwork to to show

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what it is

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she was seeing there's also another

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woman

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that was particularly one of known as

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one of the first photographers

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and she was a botanist around that time

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as well so that's you know we're in the

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1700s now so

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i do want to point out another artist if

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we go to the next slide slide 15.

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this this may not be somebody you've

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heard of but this gentleman was a

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pioneer

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in the field of of data visual

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visualization

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so this is w-e-b uh du bois or dubois

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but uh he was a sociologist and he was a

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professor

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back in 1899 he

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he and a team were coming up with uh

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data

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happening to slaves when they were freed

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and

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seen this stuff before

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but this this group was creating these

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these early early early on data

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visualization visualizations to help

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communicate

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and educate people and help them

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understand what was happening so

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again we're going into the you know 1600

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1700 1800s

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where art is being used to help people

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communicate and understand

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we haven't even gotten to the space race

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yet if you wanna go to slide 16.

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so of course with space you now have

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physics and engineering going to next

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levels

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so why wouldn't art go with them to help

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communicate these

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incredibly complex things so i started

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digging around our archives at jpl

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because that's what i do during my lunch

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most people interact i sit in a corner

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and talk to myself and look at the

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archives

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so i found this amazing photo this is a

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super computer

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right you've got two people there

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crunching data pressing buttons it's

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making noises that spits out a card and

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and that's that's like something

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massively ingenious but i noticed what

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was on the right there

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that little board in the back there um

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that is

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plan to the moon

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so someone did that i was immediately

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like wait somebody did that and that

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would have been my job

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had i been back then so where does where

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does art exist

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internally at jpl and nasa i wanted to

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really look for that

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so uh digging a little bit deeper brian

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um

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in terms of the history of artists

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supporting nasa in the space industry

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since the beginning

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you know if you want to go to slide 17 i

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found out that jpl actually had an art

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director

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back in 1952 his name was artbeam and of

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course his name's art

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but he led a team of 14 women and seven

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men

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known as the graphics group now this is

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this is before the moon like this is

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this is at the start of the space race

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artists were a key part at the very

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beginning supporting these scientists

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and engineers

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with brainstorming figuring out what it

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is they were going to do

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and communicating to the public what was

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going to happen

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so then we get in so that was the the

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50s and and now we get into the 60s

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nasa has been formed um if you want to

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go to slide 18.

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nasa's been formed in the in the 60s uh

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the nasa administrator james webb

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decided

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we need to create an art program because

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data is not

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communicating to everyone we want

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everyone from phd level people down to

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students to understand and be excited

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about

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this exploration and innovation that's

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happening so an art program was created

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where artists like norman rockwell and

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andy warhol

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and even anna leibowitz were simply

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given access that's it

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you have access as an artist to what

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nasa is doing full access

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and we want you to then go back and do

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your interpretation of what you saw

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what you smelled what you heard and

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there was an amazing amount of art

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uh created and so that program existed

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in the 60s 70s it ended up ending in the

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90s

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it was run by um by bert ulrich who's

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currently at headquarters one of our

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liaisons for media and special projects

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but uh what an exciting program that was

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and it was in the 60s

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but quickly as we get into the 70s um

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aims nasa and started inviting in if you

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want to go to the next slide in

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nasa ames started inviting in amazing

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artists to get involved in what would

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the future look like

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artists started to be included in early

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formulation of projects

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and what could things look like in the

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future also in the 70s speaking of

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future if you want to go to slide 19

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at jpl was a computer lab

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um started by a gentleman named bob

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holtzman

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who had some money bought a bunch of

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equipment

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pulled some talented people together and

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said figure out what this stuff does

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so so in the early 70s you had an

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individual named dr jim blind

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who was one of the pioneers of early 3d

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graphics

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animation contributing to space flight

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operations

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figuring out spacecraft uh planetary

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encounters

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doing animations that were being sent to

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00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:20,320
the news and media

572
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:21,919
so this was way ahead of a time and i

573
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:23,760
had the privilege of talking with

574
00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:26,000
dr blinn and he was telling me yes

575
00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:28,080
people from early early pixar

576
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:29,520
people are starting lucasfilm were

577
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:31,280
coming to them to find out what is going

578
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:31,919
on here

579
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:34,799
so computer 3d graphics were pioneered

580
00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:35,760
by nasa

581
00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:36,880
i'm just going to say that i'm throwing

582
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:38,960
that out there so quickly as we get into

583
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:41,520
slide 21 then the 80s hit and i honestly

584
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:43,840
i'm maybe a little biased i'm an 80s kid

585
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:45,440
but i really think that's when nasa

586
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:47,919
solidified itself in culture with art

587
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,440
um i don't think there was a bedroom

588
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:51,679
that didn't have a nasa poster on it

589
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:53,760
the nasa worm logo which has had a a

590
00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:54,880
resurgence

591
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:57,840
it just a lot of people love the 80s

592
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:58,640
nasa

593
00:19:01,669 --> 00:19:00,960
because they were cranking out a lot of

594
00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:01,679
great art

595
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,760
from from artists then as we got into

596
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:05,600
the 90s and 2000s i think

597
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:07,360
once the shuttle program ended people

598
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:09,280
thought maybe nasa went away

599
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:11,200
which is unfortunate but nasa was just

600
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:12,880
as busy doing amazing things

601
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,480
but i think artistically in terms of the

602
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:16,799
artisan stride with uh engineers and

603
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:18,559
scientists it went more internal

604
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:20,160
to help figure out what is our vision

605
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:21,840
now what should we be doing

606
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:24,880
and then lastly as we get to slide 23 or

607
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,400
sorry 22

608
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:30,880
um you know that leads us to today so i

609
00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:32,640
believe in 2012

610
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:34,720
curiosity landed on mars with a lot of

611
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:36,080
drama and excitement

612
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:37,679
and i really think that that

613
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:40,240
resuscitated uh a lot of excitement

614
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:42,080
around space and exploration

615
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,559
and then along with 2015 there were some

616
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:46,080
exoplanet posters which we're going to

617
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:46,320
be

618
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:47,600
kind of talking about today there were

619
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:49,360
some posters to to to

620
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:51,840
real worlds out there that went viral

621
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:53,360
online and i remember one of the

622
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:55,280
comments said finally nasa's creating

623
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:56,480
art for people again

624
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:59,120
and so over these past probably 10 years

625
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:00,160
um

626
00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:03,440
we have seen a resurgence of the arts in

627
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:05,679
a lot in stride with nasa not only

628
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:06,799
externally

629
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:09,520
but also internally um with with artists

630
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:10,960
and designers accompanying

631
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:13,200
uh scientists and engineers in early

632
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:14,640
early development of

633
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:17,600
of missions so i i'm going to summarize

634
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,960
by this because i really want to get

635
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,400
back to morgan

636
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:22,159
and and kind of what the program is but

637
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:23,120
i really felt like i had to kind of

638
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:23,840
state the case

639
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,320
that this has always been around uh it's

640
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:27,919
always been a key part of

641
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:30,640
exploration and uh it shouldn't go away

642
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:31,039
because

643
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:34,400
here's the thing if we go to slide 23

644
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,880
these are all the people involved uh i

645
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,880
would say with nasa or just space in

646
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,640
general or innovation exploration you

647
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,919
know you've got nasa headquarters you've

648
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:43,440
got the different centers and facilities

649
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:45,679
there's like 15 or 20 of them

650
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:47,360
you have all your engineers you have all

651
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:49,039
your scientists you have your public

652
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,240
engagement people

653
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:52,240
your other nasa specialists your web

654
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,679
developers software you have

655
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:55,200
all of those people then you have news

656
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,799
and media right

657
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,559
now you have those people both

658
00:21:01,350 --> 00:21:00,640
internally and news and media out in the

659
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:01,360
world

660
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:03,039
now you have schools and universities

661
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:04,480
you have the general public

662
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:07,120
so this is nasa it's not one person

663
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:08,320
sitting in a room coming up with

664
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:09,520
something and then they release it in

665
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,480
the news

666
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,240
nasa is very transparent they're working

667
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,080
with tons of specialists on

668
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,640
everything that's a lot of communication

669
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:18,400
a lot of different people from students

670
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,760
to phd level people

671
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,520
this is where this is where artists live

672
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:23,360
this is where art lives if you go to the

673
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:25,280
next slide

674
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,600
this is where art lives lives in between

675
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,960
all of these people

676
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,400
they are the bridge builders of

677
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:32,080
communication between all of these

678
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:32,960
people

679
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:36,720
um if you go to the next slide

680
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,679
the reason being is uh you know you have

681
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:41,440
your data you have your research you

682
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:42,799
have your facts you have your science

683
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:44,080
you have your brilliant things that

684
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,120
morgan

685
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:47,200
is spending her daily life discovering

686
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:48,559
and figuring out

687
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,679
she has to now communicate that

688
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,760
to the widest audience possible

689
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:55,440
otherwise you're just a musician making

690
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,559
music for yourself

691
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:58,320
right there's no point in it there's no

692
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:59,440
point in doing the research if you're

693
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,320
not gonna

694
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,320
communicate it to people all the way

695
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,240
from phd level professionals

696
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,919
down to children and that's where art

697
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:07,679
comes in because art is a universal

698
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,400
language

699
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,039
it's visual so no matter who you are

700
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,480
where you are what age you are what

701
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:14,000
level of education you are it is

702
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,720
possible

703
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:16,480
to look at something and get a general

704
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,039
understanding of what things like morgan

705
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:21,360
are talking about so again if i can

706
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,559
replace art

707
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,559
with communication that is the role of

708
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,159
an artist at

709
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,320
jpl nasa but not you know we're not just

710
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:30,080
painters if you can go um

711
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:34,240
go to the slide to the next slide

712
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,559
at jpl in nasa we have so many

713
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,679
incredible people

714
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,600
outside of engineering and science that

715
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:41,200
work as communicators

716
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:42,720
the visual strategist that's what my

717
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,799
title is we have news teams we have

718
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,159
social media people

719
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:48,240
incredible writers photographers film

720
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:49,440
and video people

721
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:52,960
education specialists outreach public

722
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,120
engagement uh web developers ar

723
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:57,679
vr asmr whatever all the ours printing

724
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,440
specialists archives historians

725
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,960
we have all of these incredible people

726
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,720
that fill in those spaces

727
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,200
to do one thing and that is to help take

728
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:07,280
these incredibly complex things

729
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,440
and communicate it to as many people as

730
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:10,880
possible and i just kind of want to end

731
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:11,840
with this quote

732
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:15,120
this is going back to the nasa art

733
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,919
program

734
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:17,679
uh where lester cook said i hope the

735
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,520
future generations will realize that we

736
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,799
have not only the scientists and

737
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:22,480
engineers capable of shaping the destiny

738
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,440
of our age

739
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:25,760
but artists worthy to keep them company

740
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:26,640
so

741
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:30,240
nasa is humanity's r d division

742
00:23:37,310 --> 00:23:34,400
space is is the place of the greatest

743
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,320
complexities and mysteries in in

744
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:38,880
impossibilities

745
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,000
that humans need to innovate

746
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,320
it stretches us to innovate and as

747
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,000
scientists and engineers innovate

748
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,240
in that space there need to be artists

749
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,520
going alongside them

750
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,760
to help communicate those things to the

751
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:53,360
public so that we can all be excited

752
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,679
right so thanks for letting me share all

753
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,279
that i felt like it was important

754
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,240
i would love to get back to morgan and

755
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,080
really start diving in deep

756
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,559
into some of these really complex things

757
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:06,000
that none of us study

758
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,520
except for her thank you joby we're

759
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:11,039
going to get to that in just a second

760
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,480
um earlier this week our wonderful

761
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:14,559
social media team created a poll

762
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,840
for you our audience asking which

763
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:19,200
exoplanet we should use for our

764
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,320
discussion tonight

765
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:22,320
as we say this is your space program we

766
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,440
want you to be involved in the

767
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,039
conversation you kind of guided it

768
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:27,120
this evening for us now if we pull those

769
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:28,640
results up

770
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:32,000
that's 28 b you'll see the voters

771
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:32,799
decided on

772
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,000
super earth super ocean the planet you

773
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,720
chose is called kepler 22b

774
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,320
uh we asked you to choose this to give

775
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:42,080
our speakers a target now they didn't

776
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,600
know what exoplanet y'all were going to

777
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:46,159
choose until earlier today uh

778
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:49,840
essentially we everybody not morgan and

779
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,039
joby are going to sit in

780
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,760
on a meeting with them uh this isn't a

781
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,880
real mission

782
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,799
we're not actually sending a mission to

783
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:58,720
this exoplanet but we will be using

784
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,760
real science for this discussion now if

785
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:04,000
you're an artist watching at home

786
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,760
and want to follow along and create

787
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:07,360
something of your own please do

788
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,760
and post it on social media and tag us

789
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,880
at

790
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,200
nasa exoplanets now i'm going to throw

791
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:16,480
it over to morgan it's your meeting

792
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:19,919
awesome well brian thanks so much and

793
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,000
toby i'm so excited to work with you on

794
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:23,760
this just as excited as i am

795
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:26,000
anytime we get to sit down and come up

796
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:27,600
with something new together i couldn't

797
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,159
imagine

798
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,360
better company as well so yeah

799
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,919
super excited let's start thinking about

800
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:34,960
what we can do

801
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,720
for kepler 22b this is the exoplanet

802
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,720
that you all chose i should note the

803
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:42,080
other two options were really

804
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,520
exciting as well but this one was

805
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:45,760
honestly my favorite uh the other two

806
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,559
one was

807
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,960
more of a huff-like world very cold

808
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,559
frigid on the outside might have some

809
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:52,320
interesting things maybe an ocean going

810
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,279
on underneath

811
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,039
uh the other one that star hugging

812
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:57,200
subnet tune think of that more like

813
00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:00,080
cloud city it's a place that may not

814
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,520
have any ground at all that we might

815
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:03,279
send a balloon to one day that would be

816
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:03,760
cool

817
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,720
but we're going to focus on earth's twin

818
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,799
kepler 22b

819
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,320
so joby i think what we're going to do

820
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:12,559
now is we're going to come up with

821
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:15,440
essentially a a poster we usually use

822
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:16,880
these when we

823
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,919
advertise proposals or when we

824
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,840
start to work on mission concepts that

825
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:23,679
we want to send to world one day

826
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:26,480
and this helps us visualize and also

827
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:27,440
communicate

828
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:29,919
this idea of what our mission concept is

829
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,520
like and what it's going to do

830
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,799
at this alien world and so kepler-22b

831
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:37,039
is a really fascinating place it's about

832
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,000
twice as big as

833
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:41,279
earth but it's also orbiting a very

834
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,240
similar star

835
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,640
in the habitable zone and that's really

836
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:46,320
exciting for those of us who study

837
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:47,440
astrobiology

838
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,799
and astrochemistry because this may hold

839
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:53,200
liquid water and some similar building

840
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,640
blocks to

841
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,799
earth and could potentially be a place

842
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:57,760
where

843
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,840
life might have already formed or or

844
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,880
could still form

845
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,360
and definitely a worthy place to study

846
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:05,120
yeah that's amazing so usually

847
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:08,080
what happens is um you know morgan will

848
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,200
set up a meeting

849
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,400
i'll go down to her office and um

850
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,960
kind of set up shop or um of course

851
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,240
there's the formalities because i know

852
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,760
morgan and i'll be like hey did you go

853
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:19,520
unicycle mountain biking this weekend or

854
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,080
something

855
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,720
which she does which is insane so uh you

856
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,240
know we'll talk a little bit but

857
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,799
there really isn't anything beyond me

858
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,240
just going morgan

859
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:29,919
you want to do a mission to this pla

860
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:32,080
planet you know tell me about why

861
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,600
tell me what's so special about this

862
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,520
planet and then i'll start to piece

863
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,120
together some visuals

864
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,919
for this proposal cover so i know that

865
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:41,520
there are some formalities with proposal

866
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:42,640
covers they're eight and a half by

867
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,279
eleven

868
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:45,120
and they usually um i'm just hoping you

869
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,559
can see my screen here

870
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:49,039
uh so so usually uh you know it's eight

871
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:50,080
and a half by eleven and then you have

872
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:51,279
some formalities

873
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,600
you usually have signatures of somebody

874
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:55,279
down here which would be morgan

875
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,880
you'd have some some technicalities

876
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,799
because it is a proposal cover this is

877
00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:00,159
legit they're gonna be talking about

878
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:01,360
science they're gonna be talking about

879
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:02,000
the spacecraft

880
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,000
and talking about everything in it so i

881
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:06,480
know i can't do anything down here

882
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,679
i'm going to be used i'm going to be

883
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,760
doing everything up in here so i'm

884
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,240
essentially doing a movie poster almost

885
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,600
i'm going to get people excited

886
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:16,559
can i communicate what's going on in one

887
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:17,520
image so

888
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,559
morgan tell me about kepler 22b i'm

889
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:22,640
actually going to type it in here

890
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,200
and um first of all is that correct

891
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:29,600
you are so close actually do you mind

892
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,559
making that b

893
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,399
lower case that's actually really

894
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:34,000
important so when it comes to naming

895
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,120
exoplanets

896
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:38,159
we tend to use those capital letters for

897
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:41,600
the stars that's where we identify and

898
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:43,279
so if you kept it as a capital b

899
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,399
people might think we were going to

900
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:46,880
visit the the sun essentially

901
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,919
of this solar system oh wow

902
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,240
okay yeah so i'm going to change this to

903
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:54,240
our lower case b

904
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:57,200
how is that okay that looks awesome yeah

905
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,000
so kepler

906
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,840
is the mission that discovered this

907
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:01,440
world 22

908
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,520
in this case is because this is the 22nd

909
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:07,039
star that looks like it might have

910
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,399
planets around it there's some

911
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,159
probabilities associated with that but

912
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:11,679
we're pretty confident that these worlds

913
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,240
exist

914
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,679
and then once we've identified them

915
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:15,279
through all sorts of different ways you

916
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,679
can

917
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,840
hunt these exoplanets then we start to

918
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,919
give them letters and they're identified

919
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:21,679
in order starting with the letter b

920
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,399
a is reserved for the most massive thing

921
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,480
in the solar system which is usually

922
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,720
the host star and so this was the first

923
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:30,159
one discovered which is why

924
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,840
it's got that lowercase b all right so

925
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:35,440
okay so here notice what are you what

926
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:36,559
are you doing down to the bottom there

927
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,360
domi

928
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,200
what am i doing on the bottom i'm going

929
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,120
to start working on your planet so i

930
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,120
i don't you know if as you're sort of

931
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,120
describing the planet

932
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,600
i um i wanted to kind of piece something

933
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,520
together there i figure

934
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:51,120
you know let's at least get this on

935
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:52,559
there um

936
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:55,120
now there are people who who when they

937
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,159
have more time

938
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:58,000
are going to be you know they they dive

939
00:30:02,950 --> 00:29:59,919
into 3d you know

940
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,960
3d stuff to really get this stuff um

941
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,039
sitting right but uh for the sake of

942
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,279
time i'm literally just going to be

943
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,360
kind of bending this stuff on there but

944
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:10,960
morgan i want to get this as close as

945
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,840
possible to

946
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,360
what it is that you're thinking is going

947
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,279
on on this planet down there so

948
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:18,240
you mentioned clouds um what what kind

949
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,720
of

950
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,640
does it have an atmosphere what's going

951
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:22,080
on on there um

952
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,520
as i just sort of piece this thing

953
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,120
together yeah

954
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,279
no that's great question joby we do

955
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,360
think that this world has an atmosphere

956
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,840
based on its size and where it's

957
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,600
orbiting in the habitable zone so that

958
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,440
means it's in that goldilocks spot

959
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:37,760
where it's not too hot not too cold but

960
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,720
just right

961
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,399
so we think this one may be a bit more

962
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,760
earth-like i think

963
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,000
it's going to have water vapor and water

964
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,240
clouds so white colored clouds just like

965
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,840
we have here on earth

966
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,360
and i'm noticing that you've got a lot

967
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,919
of sort of reds and oranges in there but

968
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,039
i'm hoping

969
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,520
since this world is in that habitable

970
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:57,279
zone that it may have some blues and

971
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,840
greens

972
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:00,240
it may have liquid water potentially

973
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,360
some oceans

974
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,880
so i don't know if you can tweak the

975
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:04,399
colors a bit but that would be really

976
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,440
nice

977
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:08,559
absolutely let's do that now

978
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,600
sweet so yeah this one's actually

979
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,840
in orbit around oh that's starting to

980
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,039
look pretty good

981
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:16,960
this is an orbit around a very similar

982
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:18,080
star to our

983
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:21,440
sun it's a g-class or a yellow dwarf

984
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,600
and so i think we would be within

985
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:24,960
creative license

986
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:28,000
to include some green in there for green

987
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:29,039
plants

988
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,720
right and the reason i say that is

989
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,120
because while there could be

990
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:35,039
other types of plants that are different

991
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,399
colors

992
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,159
life on earth has adopted that green

993
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:40,240
color because of the wavelengths coming

994
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,279
from our sun

995
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,720
from our star and since this one's

996
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,559
orbiting a similar star

997
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,399
it's not unreasonable to think that

998
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:48,799
maybe it might adopt similar pigments

999
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,519
to absorb that that light and to do

1000
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,880
photosynthesis

1001
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,559
so now that's starting to look a lot

1002
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,159
better okay

1003
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,960
this is looking really great so what is

1004
00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:00,480
so you mentioned the starlight what kind

1005
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:00,720
of

1006
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,880
it what side would it be on what's going

1007
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:06,640
on

1008
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:11,039
when it comes to exoplanets

1009
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,080
sometimes they can be tidally locked

1010
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:17,279
around their host star which means that

1011
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,000
the same

1012
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,399
face like maybe i can do a little demo

1013
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,159
here so i've got let's pretend like

1014
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,399
like this rubik's cube is the sun and

1015
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,840
this rubik's cube is a plant although

1016
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,880
wait let's switch that because this

1017
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:28,880
one's bigger okay so this is the planet

1018
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:32,000
and so so in instead of it orbiting like

1019
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,600
we do where we have night and day and

1020
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,039
this guy spins around

1021
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:37,519
um instead it would be tidally locked

1022
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:38,080
the same

1023
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:41,679
face would face the star the entire time

1024
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:44,720
and that means that one side let's see

1025
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,279
the white side will be really cold and

1026
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,960
and the blue side well it's not totally

1027
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:50,159
blue because i haven't solved this one

1028
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:50,640
yet

1029
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:53,519
would be really hot and yeah so joey

1030
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:54,799
that's perfect we would need a

1031
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,760
terminator

1032
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,840
something like that so we have a side

1033
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:59,279
that's in darkness a side that's in

1034
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,679
light

1035
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:02,000
now for kepler 22b we're actually not

1036
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,720
sure

1037
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,640
if it's tidally locked or not but we're

1038
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,960
we're going to just assume that it is

1039
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,559
because if we send a mission there one

1040
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,799
day we don't want to be surprised

1041
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,200
and have designed for a particular case

1042
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:15,120
that ends up not being correct

1043
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,559
uh so let's just assume that it's

1044
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,080
tidally locked for right now but we'll

1045
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:20,240
keep our mission concept open

1046
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,480
so that we can be adaptive if indeed

1047
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,159
it's more earth-like

1048
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,159
okay let's do that so we've got our

1049
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,919
title locked we're

1050
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,480
we're gonna you know light on one side

1051
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:31,919
darken the other side

1052
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:34,960
so what what exactly is uh going on

1053
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,440
above

1054
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,919
there is there is there you know what

1055
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,200
are you sending there

1056
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:41,279
is there is it like an orbiter like this

1057
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:42,240
or is it

1058
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,000
is it you know a giant

1059
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:48,799
restaurant spaceship i don't know so

1060
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:49,760
well it

1061
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,600
also just to let you guys know

1062
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,440
i i am given permission to ask the

1063
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,279
dumbest questions in the room

1064
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,760
so and i often do so a lot of times that

1065
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,360
gets morgan thinking differently

1066
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,960
of course they're not sending a giant

1067
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,360
restaurant out to kepler 22b

1068
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:07,200
but as i do inquire about what the

1069
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,399
spacecraft is

1070
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,320
um that gets her really thinking about

1071
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,839
you know her mission

1072
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:13,760
um and how to communicate that best to

1073
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:15,520
to people so i in a way i represent the

1074
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,000
public

1075
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:19,040
as well you totally do and you always

1076
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,800
ask good questions joby there are no

1077
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,720
stupid questions

1078
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,320
okay this is great i like the idea of

1079
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:26,320
putting in our spacecraft and i'm

1080
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:26,879
thinking

1081
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:29,839
it's gonna have three pieces it's going

1082
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,399
to have

1083
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,800
an orbiter something that stays in space

1084
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,879
that will orbit around this planet

1085
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,800
and i think solar panels is the way to

1086
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,720
go here for power

1087
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,079
because it may take us a while to get

1088
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:42,000
there so that looks really nice but i'm

1089
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:43,679
thinking we're also going to want

1090
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:46,960
two landers and the reason that i say

1091
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:49,839
that we need two is because well first

1092
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:50,320
of all

1093
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,679
if indeed this moon sorry this world is

1094
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,879
tidally locked

1095
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,480
it would be really fascinating to send

1096
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,079
one to the sunlit side

1097
00:35:01,430 --> 00:35:00,720
and one to the side that's forever in

1098
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,440
darkness

1099
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:03,839
to compare and contrast and study

1100
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,800
between them

1101
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,960
and also if we send two landers then we

1102
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,880
have redundancy if something happens or

1103
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,000
goes wrong with one

1104
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,599
we can still get plenty of data from

1105
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,359
another and so which

1106
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,200
what prototype are you pulling up there

1107
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,040
that looks really neat

1108
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,599
i think it's the hoyden's probe nice the

1109
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,800
huygens probe that's

1110
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,240
that is near and dear to my heart

1111
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:23,760
because that was part of the cassini

1112
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:24,640
mission

1113
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:27,200
cassini went to to saturn and it

1114
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,920
explored

1115
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:30,480
saturn and its rings and moons and

1116
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,440
brought along with it

1117
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,680
a collaboration from the european space

1118
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,079
agency which is a probe that landed

1119
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:38,720
on saturn's moon titan and it's actually

1120
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:40,320
perfect that you picked that jovi

1121
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,280
because

1122
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:44,240
when huygens was designed we didn't know

1123
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,200
if titan had

1124
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:47,680
solid land or if it was covered in

1125
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,320
oceans

1126
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,880
of liquid methane and ethane and so they

1127
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,800
designed that probe so it could float

1128
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:55,040
even if there was just liquid around it

1129
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,400
would still work just fine

1130
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,599
and i think that's what we would want to

1131
00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:00,079
design for this exoplanet as well in

1132
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,760
this mission concept

1133
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,880
because we don't know if there's

1134
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:04,400
actually going to be solid rocky ground

1135
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,440
until we get there

1136
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:07,040
and by then it's too late to you know

1137
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,560
oops let's go back to earth let's pick

1138
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:09,760
up a different kind of probe and come

1139
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,720
back that would

1140
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,240
that would take too long i don't want to

1141
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,000
wait that long

1142
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,720
yeah nice so we'll send two so we'll

1143
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,720
send one to the sunlit side one to the

1144
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:20,000
dark side

1145
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,760
i really like what you're doing here

1146
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:23,680
maybe we could also include

1147
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:26,240
something to show oh those colors are

1148
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:27,040
cool

1149
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:28,880
oh that looks really awesome you're so

1150
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,150
i'm flying here i'm trying to uh i'm

1151
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,000
trying more again i'm trying

1152
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:38,640
um so so what we're gonna add so i know

1153
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:39,200
that these

1154
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:42,720
one's gonna go

1155
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:49,520
light correct yes so

1156
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:53,119
so probably should show some some

1157
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,400
way of doing that i'm gonna i'm gonna

1158
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:57,440
continue messing with these but you know

1159
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:01,520
for now perhaps we don't do the color

1160
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:04,640
but uh i i do want to show

1161
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,800
you know some way of of

1162
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:11,119
that that you know yeah like the

1163
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,079
trajectory

1164
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,119
something yeah correct

1165
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,160
so yeah something like that is pretty

1166
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,839
good i really like how you sort of

1167
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:22,160
got this nice kind of left and right

1168
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,520
dark and light

1169
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,920
it's it's really got some some cool feel

1170
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:27,119
to it

1171
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,960
and yeah we would want to show the

1172
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:30,960
trajectories and i don't know if there's

1173
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:33,599
space or a way that we could show we'll

1174
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,240
probably

1175
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:36,079
have to use parachutes or something for

1176
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,920
these guys to land

1177
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,839
because this has an atmosphere so

1178
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,280
chances are you

1179
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:43,119
will probably employ something similar

1180
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:44,320
to how we land

1181
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:47,760
our rovers on mars where we use

1182
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,839
supersonic or hypersonic parachutes and

1183
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:51,680
then some combination of retro rockets

1184
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,560
at the end

1185
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,480
and the nice thing about that is if we

1186
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,800
come to this alien exoplanet

1187
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,119
and we find the atmosphere surprisingly

1188
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,200
thick or surprisingly thin we may still

1189
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,520
be able to use some combination of those

1190
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:06,079
to land i don't know if that's going to

1191
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,680
mess up the flow of the image but it

1192
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,359
might be neat to include

1193
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,359
uh maybe like a parachute or something

1194
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:12,640
like that in there although

1195
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:13,839
where they are right now they're pretty

1196
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,720
high up that would get deployed later

1197
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:19,760
but we can show that kind of a um you

1198
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,079
know

1199
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:23,119
do you want to show stages of of things

1200
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:23,520
or

1201
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:27,599
um you know that's a really good idea

1202
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:30,880
do that then

1203
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:34,000
try and fix this a little bit what would

1204
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,640
the final

1205
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,119
step be kind of just to make sure we get

1206
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,720
enough time for audience questions and i

1207
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,320
could watch you do this all day

1208
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,760
what would kind of be the last step that

1209
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:43,760
you both have in this meeting

1210
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,240
yeah well i think we would want to show

1211
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,160
maybe something about the science that

1212
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:49,839
we might discover

1213
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,800
and to me one of the most exciting

1214
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,480
aspects of visiting a world like this

1215
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,000
would be to search for

1216
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:59,200
biosignatures evidence of life and that

1217
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,560
could take the form of

1218
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:03,280
molecules like amino acids it could take

1219
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:05,119
the form of looking for cells

1220
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:07,520
or you know even techno signatures if

1221
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,960
there's actually a civilization

1222
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,960
here but joby i wonder if there's a way

1223
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,680
that we could include something

1224
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:15,200
maybe up in one of the corners or i

1225
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,720
don't know you're the expert on where it

1226
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,079
should go but maybe

1227
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,320
do you have like any example molecules

1228
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:22,560
that we could drop in there

1229
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:26,560
i do let me let me pull that down

1230
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,790
maybe like boom that

1231
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,640
oh yeah that's perfect what is that that

1232
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:38,640
looks like is that history

1233
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,880
i think i'm not sure you would know that

1234
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,960
yeah that's an amino acid which is great

1235
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,880
these make great bio signatures

1236
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,200
uh so this is actually perfect uh these

1237
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:50,880
types of molecules

1238
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:53,119
all earth life uses them we find them

1239
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,560
all over the solar system

1240
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,880
so they're made some of them are made

1241
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,000
abiotically too

1242
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,960
not by life but life uses them and when

1243
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:02,160
life uses them

1244
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:05,119
it will make more of some and less of

1245
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,079
another and

1246
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,920
create these funky patterns that we can

1247
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:10,000
then detect and so i really like using

1248
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:11,359
that as a good example because that

1249
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,720
might actually be one of the ones that

1250
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,920
we include in our

1251
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,160
our science traceability where we target

1252
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,160
those molecules specifically

1253
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,200
so that's looking really really nice

1254
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,240
would um is it okay that they're sort of

1255
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,000
you know spinning around a little bit

1256
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:28,400
and i mean maybe i'll that's it's a

1257
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:28,720
little

1258
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,440
kind of on the nose i might i might kind

1259
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:33,119
of play those back a little bit but

1260
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:36,480
um but in fact let's let's try this

1261
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:40,319
i'm gonna uh get a little rd on you

1262
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,680
and you know see let's let's see what

1263
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,040
happens

1264
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:47,200
you know something something along these

1265
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:48,480
lines

1266
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:52,160
um that can help pop some of these

1267
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,440
things

1268
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,839
oh wow it's kind of dreamy um oh that's

1269
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:56,800
super cool

1270
00:41:01,349 --> 00:41:00,160
wait go back what was that oh that looks

1271
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:01,359
amazing

1272
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:04,720
uh one more wait no okay that

1273
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,160
is that too much that might be too much

1274
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,720
you're i trust your judgment too

1275
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,960
i can i can i can scale it back just a

1276
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:12,880
hair

1277
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,680
oh that looks amazing it might be a

1278
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:17,599
little blown out

1279
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,800
because who are you who are you who's

1280
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:25,040
going to be looking at this morgan

1281
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:29,040
so this is going to go to a review board

1282
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:32,240
of very you know top-notch best in their

1283
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,359
game in their field

1284
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:35,520
scientists and engineers will look at

1285
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,720
this proposal

1286
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,960
and they'll check our science they'll

1287
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,720
check our spacecraft and our engineering

1288
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,680
to make sure

1289
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,599
that what we're proposing to build is

1290
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,880
going to work the way that we think it's

1291
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:46,400
going to work and that will answer the

1292
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,440
science questions

1293
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:50,240
that we're trying to ask and so it's

1294
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,440
going to go to a lot of people

1295
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,440
at nasa headquarters and all sorts of

1296
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,520
places and if this gets picked

1297
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:57,200
this is the kind of poster that we will

1298
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,800
use to tell the public

1299
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:01,040
about this amazing new mission it's not

1300
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,480
a real mission this is just

1301
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,480
an example concept but this is the type

1302
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:06,319
of thing that we would then use to

1303
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,270
very cool yeah we um

1304
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:16,400
beautiful i love it i'm

1305
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:19,920
i'm just gonna and then

1306
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:23,200
make something fine i'll get some

1307
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:27,200
yeah i'm just gonna kind of um you know

1308
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,720
do some final touches on it this is

1309
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:30,400
where i tinker

1310
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:33,440
and we'll often go back and

1311
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:36,720
and give morgan like you know five or

1312
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:37,599
six

1313
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,800
options almost um of

1314
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,960
you know what about this what about that

1315
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:44,240
um is

1316
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,640
this okay is that okay you know

1317
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,400
messing around with literal messing

1318
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:51,760
around with

1319
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,079
you know what's not literal um

1320
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:58,960
getting super rd not getting already so

1321
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:01,920
just whatever communicates the best

1322
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,119
the best thing is uh um

1323
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:07,280
usually what i'll kind of dive into off

1324
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:08,160
offline because

1325
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:11,520
morgan's very busy we're all busy but i

1326
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,079
think that's

1327
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,200
perfect i call it done let's let's take

1328
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:17,680
that to the printers and run with it

1329
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:20,480
okay so and then i i always do one more

1330
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,960
layer

1331
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:23,359
of just playing around just for oohs and

1332
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,160
oz

1333
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:27,040
um just to see so while joey does that

1334
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:27,520
final

1335
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:29,440
error of of playing around and for the

1336
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,359
oohs and oz i actually want to ask

1337
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,520
morgan since joey talked a little bit

1338
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,280
about the history of this place

1339
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,119
well he keeps continuing to fiddle with

1340
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,200
that um

1341
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,520
what's essentially the future of this

1342
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:43,680
relationship

1343
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:46,800
well i think maybe we've demonstrated

1344
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,200
here

1345
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:49,839
just giving you a taste of how crucial

1346
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:51,040
art is

1347
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,160
to science the science process to

1348
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,839
answering the questions figuring out

1349
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:57,359
those answers

1350
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,640
you know asking the questions figuring

1351
00:44:00,630 --> 00:44:00,240
out those answers and then communicating

1352
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:00,640
it

1353
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:03,520
to the public to the rest of the world

1354
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:04,400
so

1355
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:08,000
joby i end up

1356
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,920
thinking about things in a different way

1357
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:11,119
i end up

1358
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,160
looking at things from a different

1359
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:14,480
perspective because that's what toby

1360
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,200
brings

1361
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:17,520
he and other artists at jpl and other

1362
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,240
places

1363
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:20,319
they have a very diverse set of

1364
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:21,280
experiences

1365
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:23,440
and any time you can bring that into a

1366
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,880
team and interleave

1367
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,960
all of your different backgrounds your

1368
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,079
ideas

1369
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,240
you end up with something much stronger

1370
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:32,400
and so being able to integrate

1371
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:35,119
art in an early stage like this into a

1372
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,240
concept

1373
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:39,119
makes it much stronger and it makes us

1374
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:40,960
better as scientists in terms of how we

1375
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,599
frame

1376
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:43,440
even the basic things like our questions

1377
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:45,920
in our science

1378
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,960
very cool um i see joby is still working

1379
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,640
on it so we're gonna get to your

1380
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,760
questions here

1381
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:54,240
while he's still messing around never

1382
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,440
stops never stops

1383
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:57,440
can't stop won't stop um but i want to

1384
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,720
thank them both because i'm not gonna

1385
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,319
throw it over to talia

1386
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,839
for some audience questions but before

1387
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,440
we do she does have something she wants

1388
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:05,040
to share with all of us particularly you

1389
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:12,150
i do thank you brian so if we can pull

1390
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:12,960
up slide

1391
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,160
38 speaking of art and science

1392
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,280
an amazing exoplanets and the technology

1393
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,280
that we use to discover them

1394
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,520
we have a brand new poster that has been

1395
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:25,040
released today

1396
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,240
it is featuring the spitzer telescope

1397
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:31,200
which is a telescope that has been used

1398
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:32,160
to characterize

1399
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,240
and discover many exoplanets along with

1400
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:36,319
a lot of other amazing science that is

1401
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:36,880
that

1402
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:42,000
you would like to download the poster

1403
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,079
i'm sorry uh visit exoplanets.nasa.gov

1404
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,079
we will be releasing a new one each week

1405
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,400
so stay tuned to see all of the amazing

1406
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,319
exoplanet telescopes

1407
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,319
that we use to find and characterize

1408
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,430
wonderful what questions do we have out

1409
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:01,280
there i imagine there were a lot because

1410
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,880
i'm full of questions right now too

1411
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,720
yes so we have a lot of amazing

1412
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,160
questions right now

1413
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:10,560
um but why don't we start off with um

1414
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:11,440
one from

1415
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,480
linkedin so phyllis on linkedin asks do

1416
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,079
you find that the process

1417
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,240
of creating art contributes to

1418
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,160
innovation by helping the scientists see

1419
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,920
their concept in a new way i know you

1420
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,920
talked a little bit about this morgan

1421
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:26,319
but have you yourself experienced a

1422
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,440
moment where you've

1423
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,359
um you know seen signs in a different

1424
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,119
way after having a meeting with someone

1425
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:32,800
like joey

1426
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,400
oh totally i mean sometimes

1427
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,800
we'll we'll engage with joby very early

1428
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:40,960
in the process or artists like him

1429
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,599
and uh they'll point out something that

1430
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,960
we were so

1431
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,760
you know deeply entrained in the the

1432
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,520
idea of the concepts

1433
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,359
that we didn't stop to take a look a

1434
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:53,119
step back and take a look and be like oh

1435
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:53,680
man

1436
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:56,480
yeah that's right this this um maybe

1437
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,760
this instrument

1438
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,960
isn't going to fit the way that we

1439
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,880
expected or boy that whole spacecraft

1440
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,400
looks really boxy

1441
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,640
and we're going to be landing someplace

1442
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:06,079
like titan we need to make this more

1443
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:07,440
aerodynamic because it's got an

1444
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,319
atmosphere

1445
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:10,400
there are a lot of different things that

1446
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:12,079
artists can bring to us early in a

1447
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:12,880
concept

1448
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:15,359
or even later on as we're starting to do

1449
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,000
tweaks

1450
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:18,160
to think about things like foot pad

1451
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,280
designs

1452
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,680
how they might interact with the surface

1453
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,960
artists can also weigh in

1454
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,040
on things like that as well so it's

1455
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,680
really amazing to be able to have that

1456
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:29,040
perspective

1457
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,800
at every stage of mission development

1458
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,559
not just in the early stages not just in

1459
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:33,839
the end when we're working on the

1460
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:34,800
proposal but

1461
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:39,839
throughout the entire process

1462
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:42,559
excellent so we have a lot a lot more

1463
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,280
questions

1464
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,440
um and let's see if either you or joey

1465
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,920
can answer this one so lisa on facebook

1466
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,640
asks for meetings such as these what is

1467
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,880
your deadline to create a poster now i

1468
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,480
have been heavily involved in the

1469
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:56,400
creation of posters before

1470
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,200
especially with joby um but i would like

1471
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,640
to hear what you guys

1472
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:02,880
would have to say in terms of trying to

1473
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,480
meet deadlines

1474
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,680
especially when you're trying to put

1475
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,440
together a proposal what might that

1476
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,000
deadline look like

1477
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:12,720
well whenever we work on mission

1478
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,599
proposals

1479
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:15,599
this is something that we usually start

1480
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:18,079
sometimes many years in advance of when

1481
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:19,520
we plan on delivering what is

1482
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,000
essentially

1483
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,480
a book with this beautiful cover on it

1484
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,599
to nasa

1485
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,000
and so some things will start very early

1486
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:28,079
and we like to impose our own internal

1487
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,960
deadlines

1488
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:30,960
to keep us from getting you know right

1489
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:32,800
up to the wire such that we have plenty

1490
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:33,680
of time

1491
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,480
to iterate on one of these drafts send

1492
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,559
it around for internal review have a few

1493
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:40,079
other people look at it as well who've

1494
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,520
never seen it before

1495
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,839
and see if they can get that concept

1496
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,359
that we're trying to convey so we might

1497
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:46,720
take this poster

1498
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,920
that joby is tweaking and without

1499
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:52,079
us saying a word hand it to someone else

1500
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,599
and be be like what does this

1501
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:55,599
tell you and they may look at those

1502
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,800
those two

1503
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,640
landers that we're designing and they

1504
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,480
may say oh well are those

1505
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,720
are those separate orbiters is it are

1506
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,079
those land you know

1507
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,760
if they can get that oh there's an

1508
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,440
orbiter it's going to have two landers

1509
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,880
that'll go down and i see the

1510
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,880
the world has two different sides one's

1511
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,480
in light and one's in darkness

1512
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:14,160
oh okay i get it you guys are going to

1513
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,520
send two different landers there to

1514
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:17,040
study the two different sides of this

1515
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:18,319
tidally locked world

1516
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,760
that's what we would like because we're

1517
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,920
not going to be there standing over this

1518
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:23,599
reviewer's shoulders as they're reading

1519
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:24,640
our proposal

1520
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,119
our graphics our science everything in

1521
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:29,359
there needs to stand by itself and speak

1522
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,319
for itself

1523
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,319
and so that's what joby does is he he

1524
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,480
gives us this beautiful words

1525
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:37,040
this music that we can use to convey

1526
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,720
these concepts and hopefully

1527
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:41,200
win those the hearts and minds of all of

1528
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:42,640
those people so that they'll

1529
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:44,160
fund this mission and we can do the

1530
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:46,880
science we want to do

1531
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:51,520
yes great yeah so oh go ahead

1532
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:52,880
i was going to move on to the next

1533
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,680
question and i think this one's probably

1534
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:56,960
for you

1535
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,599
so strawberry muffin on youtube asks

1536
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:01,359
what would you have to major in

1537
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:04,000
in order to have a job as an artist

1538
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,359
working with scientists at nasa

1539
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,240
well strawberry muffin you're already

1540
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:11,920
off to a good start with that creative

1541
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:12,240
name

1542
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,559
so i i would say that the the number of

1543
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,440
people that work in our studio and um

1544
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,960
income so of course if you're

1545
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,400
working in communications there are

1546
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,720
communication majors but in terms of our

1547
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,000
studio in terms of an artist

1548
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:28,559
supporting scientists and engineers i've

1549
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,440
found that

1550
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:30,880
you know i have an industrial design

1551
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:33,359
degree so that sort of taught me the

1552
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:34,559
gamut of

1553
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:37,119
illustration graphics learning a lot of

1554
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,160
the digital art

1555
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,640
tools i started with a foundation of

1556
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:42,319
sketching if anyone wants to know where

1557
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:42,960
to start

1558
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,680
even scientists and engineers start to

1559
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:47,040
learn how to draw and sketch

1560
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,559
there are so many classes online you can

1561
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,480
do it but learn how to draw learn how to

1562
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,480
get your ideas down quickly

1563
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:54,559
then i went into learning 2d programs

1564
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,680
graphic design

1565
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,599
then learning in 3d programs but the

1566
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,359
reason why industrial design has helped

1567
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,960
me is because i have to build things i

1568
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:02,720
have to use my hands all the time

1569
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,400
i'm constantly building things setting

1570
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,160
things up um

1571
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,880
so either an industrial design degree or

1572
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,720
we have a lot of product designers

1573
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,800
um just anything that can teach you the

1574
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,000
2d elements

1575
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:16,079
and getting into making things into 3d

1576
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:17,680
printers things like that because

1577
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:19,040
so you're going to be talking to a lot

1578
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,920
of different people they're going to

1579
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:21,040
want a lot of different things

1580
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,000
everything from

1581
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,559
from a graphic to can you build me this

1582
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,040
that shows up here and does this so

1583
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,920
um we have people who are animation

1584
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,800
folks

1585
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,960
we we have people with uh graphic design

1586
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:34,319
degrees

1587
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:36,559
we have people who are producers on

1588
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:37,760
music videos

1589
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,960
um helping orchestrate our our uh site

1590
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:41,920
visits and

1591
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:44,319
in proposal showings and things like

1592
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:45,040
that so

1593
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:47,680
it really is quite a good gamut of

1594
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,319
people

1595
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:50,319
uh but it starts with being creative

1596
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:51,680
start to use your hands start to

1597
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:53,119
understand some of the tools and i think

1598
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:54,240
you should be good to go

1599
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,520
if you're wondering where to start i

1600
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,760
would start at a university

1601
00:52:01,030 --> 00:52:00,079
nasa jpl have great internships you can

1602
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:01,040
get in for those

1603
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,400
but i would say support your local

1604
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,079
school support your local university

1605
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,480
and their science departments and um and

1606
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,920
figure out how to support them with your

1607
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,359
art

1608
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:11,200
morgan don't don't be don't be angry but

1609
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,880
i took your science molecules off of

1610
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:13,680
here

1611
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:16,000
um just to keep it simple we can put we

1612
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:16,880
can put those

1613
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:19,280
inside or or if when i have more time

1614
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:20,640
i'm going to figure out

1615
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,960
other ways to kind of get them in there

1616
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,680
that's okay

1617
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,280
you know what i think i like it this

1618
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:27,119
cleaner version without them

1619
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,319
and i think this leaves us open for

1620
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,800
more creativity when it comes to people

1621
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,920
imagining

1622
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,599
what we might search for on this world

1623
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,680
instead of just upfront telling them

1624
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:39,359
so i i really like what you've done with

1625
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:41,040
this joby as always

1626
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:44,400
brilliant work oh thank you morgan

1627
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:45,920
starts with you everything starts with a

1628
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,920
science question right

1629
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:49,680
i'm happy to be a part of the start but

1630
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,160
you definitely bring us to the finish

1631
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,319
well very nice we've got time for one

1632
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,160
last final question and then we're gonna

1633
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:58,720
have to wrap it up

1634
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,079
that's a lot of pressure all right so

1635
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:05,040
a question for both of you uh niron on

1636
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:05,680
youtube

1637
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,599
asks what is the most memorable

1638
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:08,880
memorable project

1639
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:16,549
oh oh my gosh i don't know

1640
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:20,319
yes i do i think well oh that is so hard

1641
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:20,960
okay

1642
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,720
i would say one of the most memorable

1643
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:24,960
experiences so far

1644
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,839
was when i was a part of the cassini

1645
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:29,200
mission

1646
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:32,960
right near uh the the end of cassini's

1647
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,200
life it was running out of gas and we

1648
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:37,119
didn't want to just drift around in the

1649
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,720
saturn system

1650
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,319
because it was a victim of its own

1651
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,559
success we actually found

1652
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:45,040
places with liquid water out as far as

1653
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,200
saturn cassini discovered that

1654
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:49,680
but then that meant that uh cassini

1655
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:52,400
which we cleaned but we didn't sterilize

1656
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:54,559
because we didn't think we needed to uh

1657
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:56,240
it might have brought some microfield

1658
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:56,800
hitchhike

1659
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,839
hikers along with it so we had to put

1660
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:01,440
cassini in a safe place where it

1661
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,000
couldn't

1662
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:04,000
contaminate these worlds potentially

1663
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:05,280
with earth life

1664
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,680
and so for cassini's grand finale we did

1665
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,680
this beautiful swan dive

1666
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:11,920
into saturn a place that does not have

1667
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,040
liquid water

1668
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,200
and we knew that we would be able to

1669
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,280
preserve these future worlds like

1670
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:19,920
enceladus and titan for

1671
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:21,920
future robotic explorers and who knows

1672
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:24,079
maybe even humans to step foot on them

1673
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,040
one day

1674
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,079
and i remember being with all the

1675
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,839
scientists and all the engineers who'd

1676
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:31,520
ever been involved with cassini we all

1677
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,640
came back together

1678
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:34,400
at like five in the morning of course

1679
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:35,680
because you can't control where the

1680
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,040
planets are

1681
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,200
and when when it did that beautiful swan

1682
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,520
dive and we said farewell to cassini and

1683
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,440
that was such an amazing thing

1684
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:45,040
because one of the things that that joby

1685
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,720
helps us do that the artists help us do

1686
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:48,720
is bring these spacecraft to life

1687
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,799
you know it was part of our family it

1688
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:52,480
was it was something that was so

1689
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,520
familiar to us

1690
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:56,000
that we grew to love that became a part

1691
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:56,799
of us

1692
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:58,960
and it was incredibly difficult to say

1693
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:02,000
goodbye to that spacecraft but

1694
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:03,280
the knowledge that we have from

1695
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,960
spacecraft like that now we get to apply

1696
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,400
to new missions like

1697
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,319
concepts like the one that we were

1698
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:09,760
messing around with today

1699
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:12,319
and that i think is the most inspiring

1700
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:13,599
thing that we're always learning

1701
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:14,480
something new

1702
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:16,240
and then we get to apply it to these new

1703
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,520
worlds and i'll be falling

1704
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:19,119
in love again with the next spacecraft

1705
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:25,270
and i think for me uh well cassini was

1706
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,799
incredibly beautiful i was in the room

1707
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,079
for that as well

1708
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,400
and um but i would have to say that you

1709
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,119
know the surprise and explosion of these

1710
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:35,280
he's traveling to other worlds uh

1711
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:36,559
posters that came out in

1712
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,680
2015 um we were shocked

1713
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,760
at their popularity uh no one saw it

1714
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:43,200
coming and

1715
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:45,040
um and we were able to do more called

1716
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,400
visions of the future

1717
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,880
uh we've got a ton of schools writing to

1718
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,760
us

1719
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,839
of of kids making their own travel

1720
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:53,440
posters to other planets it was a way to

1721
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:54,720
learn about the planet so

1722
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,839
i think that was probably my favorite um

1723
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,760
project that i worked on and uh

1724
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:01,440
something that my mother is tired of me

1725
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,079
talking about

1726
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:05,200
quite frankly i'm kidding um so

1727
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:08,559
good times good times that

1728
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,880
is all the time that we have tonight uh

1729
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,040
please join us next month for our talk

1730
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,280
psyche mission to a mental world with dr

1731
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:16,880
glindy elk stanton

1732
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:19,520
remember folks the posters are available

1733
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:21,280
online and those links will be

1734
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:23,839
in the chat i would like to thank our

1735
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:24,559
terrific

1736
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,480
speakers dr morgan cable and joby harris

1737
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:30,000
as we're about to lead out if we could

1738
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,839
bring up what the final parts of that

1739
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,440
poster while i'm thinking everybody else

1740
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:35,040
what we got to today just did that

1741
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:35,839
tonight

1742
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:38,799
um thank you to our co-host talia khan

1743
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,440
um and

1744
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,799
everyone behind the scenes who make

1745
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:42,720
these talks possible and finally

1746
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:46,240
a big big thank you to all of you

1747
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:49,359
who join us every single month stay

1748
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:52,960
safe stay kind stay curious

1749
00:57:08,309 --> 00:56:58,050
and we'll see you in august